tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post1453042930588458560..comments2024-03-20T10:42:44.550+00:00Comments on ROMAN CHRISTENDOM: Erasmus and titles: the treatise on letter writingTribunushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-72661127713659252212008-05-03T14:25:00.000+01:002008-05-03T14:25:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-13687161137532342512008-05-03T12:58:00.000+01:002008-05-03T12:58:00.000+01:00Mr Lundhal regrettably decided to abuse the hospit...Mr Lundhal regrettably decided to abuse the hospitality of this blog by descending into gratuitous insult. Hence his comment has been deleted.<BR/><BR/>He won't be invited back until he learns to behave like a gentleman.<BR/><BR/>I shall, however, correct a couple of his more egregious errors.<BR/><BR/>He claims to be a German speaker and assumes that no-one else is. <BR/><BR/>Completely ignoring my last reply which said - very clearly - that "I was speaking of English usage and not German" he then delivers a pointless and redundant lecture on German pronouns, spectacularly demonstrating an amazing inability to read or pay attention to anyone else.<BR/><BR/>With amazingly comic Teutonic ponderousness he even describes "ihr" as "out of fashion as completely polite" as if politeness could ever be out of fashion.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I speak German and know that "ihr" is not in modern usage. What is funny is his own ponderous manner, however.<BR/><BR/>The silly clot fails to see how comic he makes himself to English readers.<BR/><BR/>However, the egregious error is next.<BR/><BR/>He denies my claim:<BR/><BR/>"since the Anglo-Saxon letter which looks very much like a small 'y' means 'th' which is the softened form of the German 'D' used in Anglo-Saxon."<BR/><BR/>And claims that the Anglo-Saxon letter is not so pronounced.<BR/><BR/>Here is what the experts say:<BR/><BR/>"The "y" here is a representation of the obsolete letter thorn, and was pronounced [T] or [D] (the same as modern "th"). The pronunciation of "ye" in "Ye Olde Curiositie Shoppe" as, which you sometimes hear, is a spelling pronunciation and is a really "th"."<BR/><BR/>So you are wrong, I'm afraid, Lundahl.<BR/><BR/>"Ye" was a corruption and was later corrupted further. Thus it came to be used both for "the" and for words deriving from the old German "sie" and die".<BR/><BR/>If I were as impolite as Lundahl I might end by saying:<BR/><BR/>"Du bist ein flegel und ein narr"<BR/><BR/>but I shan't.<BR/><BR/>I shall simply ask him not to claim to understand the English or their language. He plainly understands neither at all well.Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-9952739810046373192008-04-30T15:07:00.000+01:002008-04-30T15:07:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-80659712479265054112008-04-28T15:25:00.000+01:002008-04-28T15:25:00.000+01:00I was speaking of English usage not German and "ye...I was speaking of English usage not German and "ye" in English certainly has no derivation from "ihr".<BR/><BR/>In fact, "ye" derives from "sie" and "die", particularly the latter, since the Anglo-Saxon letter which looks very much like a small "y" means "th" which is the softened form of the German "D" used in Anglo-Saxon.<BR/><BR/>"Ihr" has not gone out of fashion in German.Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-18031473196764317962008-04-26T16:13:00.000+01:002008-04-26T16:13:00.000+01:00Sie=they. Ihr=ye, you, but went out of fashion.Sie=they. Ihr=ye, you, but went out of fashion.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.com