tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post6036854935572054785..comments2024-03-20T10:42:44.550+00:00Comments on ROMAN CHRISTENDOM: Why the Roman Catholic Church so rightly condemned the Irish Fenians...and all other terrorist fanatics and revolutionariesTribunushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-64374186538019330172015-02-03T20:09:22.185+00:002015-02-03T20:09:22.185+00:00Hear, hear!
Well said, sir.
I totally agree.
Mo...Hear, hear!<br /><br />Well said, sir.<br /><br />I totally agree.<br /><br />Most of my relations (who are not Catholic) have been precisely put off the faith by the fanatic Irish republican terrorist murderers.<br /><br />They have a lot to answer for!Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-62161085718024468672015-02-03T08:55:52.129+00:002015-02-03T08:55:52.129+00:00The Irish Republican movement and its terrorist ac...The Irish Republican movement and its terrorist action backed by the silences and equivocations of priests and bishops has done more damage to the Catholic cause in Ireland and England than anything else. I speak as someone who was born and lived there until I moved to England in 1976. Many English people who might have been drawn to the faith were and are disgusted by the anti-English and violent actions of these people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-4553252791612196152015-01-09T16:19:34.000+00:002015-01-09T16:19:34.000+00:00Dear Republicans,
Is it too much to ask you to co...Dear Republicans,<br /><br />Is it too much to ask you to come up with some well-reasoned and well-argued defence of your position, instead of the half-baked stuff we've been getting from you so far?<br /><br />TribunusTribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-63397661049322545882015-01-09T16:18:22.179+00:002015-01-09T16:18:22.179+00:00Dear Anonymouse,
You are using neither your eyes ...Dear Anonymouse,<br /><br />You are using neither your eyes nor your brain - both God-given in order to be used, not misused, abused or ignored.<br /><br />No, my "entire reasoning", if you bothered to read the article, is not so based.<br /><br />The Church opposed Fenianism because it was thoroughly evil all round, inspired by the twin evils of secularist Nationalism and Communism, not Catholicism.<br /><br />It is, in fact, you republicans who try to use theology selectively and, worse, dishonestly.<br /><br />The Church's position (set out well by Pope Pius VI and St Thomas, as I said) is clearly in favour of monarchy.<br /><br />The Church, moreover, has been bitterly and strenuously opposed to the kind of secularist nationalism that arose in the 19th century, following the French Revolution, of which Fenianism is a classic example.<br /><br />It did so because such secularist Nationalism is, and was, thoroughly, inescapably and inexcusably evil.<br /><br />You need only read a few from the long list of papal encyclicals written at the time of each of the many secularist nationalist revolutions in Europe to see the depth of feeling with which successive popes sternly and gravely censured such revolutions.<br /><br />Selective theology?<br /><br />Come now.<br /><br />Next you'll be telling us that your anonymous posts are more authoritative than the succession of papal encyclicals!<br /><br />Give yourself a break and come back from fantasyland.<br /><br />As for the "unchristian violence used by various monarchs and royal families to spread empire and supress democracy" as per usual with you republican fantasists, you give not a single example.<br /><br />Holy Mother Church certainly condemns, and has condemned unlawful violence from Kings, whether Catholic or not, but the simple historical fact is that monarchies, with few exceptions, have a far, far better record than modern republics.<br /><br />And you will certainly not find Holy Mother Church condemning the lack of democracy, which is no sin, in anything like the same terms as unlawful violence, which is a grave sin.<br /><br />Your attempt to equate and elide the two is yet another example of republican nationalist duplicity.<br /><br />I suggest you do some serious and deep reading instead of wishful thinking.Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-86752056669207913112015-01-09T16:01:58.038+00:002015-01-09T16:01:58.038+00:00No, Zuckerbecker. Incorrect.
The Church supports ...No, Zuckerbecker. Incorrect.<br /><br />The Church supports all legitimately constituted governments and always opposes revolution.<br /><br />The Church will, however, oppose any usurper and support his replacement by the legitimate government, with arms if necessary, but only where it is proportionate under the rules of just war.<br /><br />This is because no subject or inferior has the right to overthrow a properly constituted superior power - under ANY circumstances.<br /><br />The inferior cannot judge the superior. That is the Church's teaching.<br /><br />However, a legitimate government-in-exile IS superior and hence can authorise any attempted restoration (if it be proportionate).<br /><br />That is not revolution but restoration.<br /><br />Revolutions are ALWAYS wrong.<br /><br />As a matter of fact, the Church supported the Tsar's regime in Russia as the legitimate government of Russia and refused to give any support whatever to Tadeusz Kosciusko's Polish revolutionaries who were seeking to "liberate" Poland from Russian rule.<br /><br />You may "think" what you like but your "think" is not in accordance with either historical fact or Catholic doctrine.<br /><br />The Church's relationship with Bismarck was more strained because the German Empire was a false usurpation, by force of arms and aggression, of the old Catholic German Empire under the Habsburgs.<br /><br />That was inevitably condemned by the Church (as all usurpers are)together with the Bismarckian campaign of imprisoning bishops over the mixed marriage laws.<br /><br />The bogus German Empire led on to WWI and was replaced by Nazism, both grave evils.<br /><br />Nevertheless, the Church did not support overthrowing it by force, not least because that would have been disproportionate.<br /><br />And, so far as I am aware, the German Empire did not murder Catholics.<br /><br />Likewise, the Church supported the British government as the legitimate government of the British Isles, Ireland included, and strongly opposed revolution in Ireland.<br /><br />The Church supports legitimate government, not just Catholic government, wherever it may be.<br /><br />European Christian Democracy has been a failure and has become corrupt, anti-Christian and inept.<br /><br />It is very far from good government, let alone the fatuously rose-tinted view that you suggest i.e. the "ultimate expression of the very best form of Catholic politics in Government". Are you joking? You must be. The CD parties have been a dismal failure and are now as secularist as any government.<br /><br />Konrad Adenauer in Germany did the best he could with what was available and is to be saluted for it. However, he was always a monarchist.<br /><br />Likewise Alcide de Gasperi in Italy.<br /><br />Charles de Gaulle in France was a different matter. He allowed the advance of secularisation of France in the name of "nationalism" and allowed many evils that he should have restrained.<br /><br />As I said, Pope Pius VI described monarchy as "the best of all governments" in <i>Pourquoi Notre Foix</i>.<br /><br />You will not find any papal statement saying the same about modern republicanism which is, in any case, a creature of the immoral and grotesque French Revolution with its diabolical hatred of religion and Catholicism.<br /><br />So - as I said: "the Church praised and supported monarchy... monarchy is the Church's preferred form of government".<br /><br />Fact.Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-44316661908967243652015-01-02T19:42:22.082+00:002015-01-02T19:42:22.082+00:00Sir, you entire reasoning for our urch's oppos...Sir, you entire reasoning for our urch's opposition to Republicanism rest on the use of violence as the reason for invalidation. This type of selective theology takes no account of the use of equally unchristian violence used by various monarchs and royal families to spread empire and supress democracy. Mother Church also condemns such behaviour from Kings also. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-80533596876452156922015-01-02T17:28:45.219+00:002015-01-02T17:28:45.219+00:00"the Church praised and supported monarchy, t..."the Church praised and supported monarchy, that monarchy is the Church's preferred form of government"<br /><br />I think that's only true if the Monarch is Catholic and not persecuting and even killing Catholics in Tsarist Russia, the Bismark's Prussia or even Britain. What of European Christian Democracy, surely this is the ultimate expression of the very best form of Catholic politics in Government? Adenauer in Germany? De Gaulle in France? Bremen Bod Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16464055034278598862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-17683219349147857642014-12-29T11:01:01.760+00:002014-12-29T11:01:01.760+00:00If you are suggesting that this alters a word of m...If you are suggesting that this alters a word of my post or, worse, that the Church supported Fenianism, then you are simply being dishonest - a characteristic all too common amongst Fenians.<br /><br />In that respect the Fenians copy their true inspiration, the Father of Lies, Satan himself.<br /><br />Of course Pope Pius XII approved the Irish Constitution since, on paper, it is fine. It makes a point of putting the Catholic religion at its head.<br /><br />But that in no way excuses the way in which the revolutionaries sought to bring about a republic in Ireland. And it is entirely dishonest to pretend that the Church supported that. It didn't.<br /><br />Moreover, the close alliance of Archbishop John McQuaid with de Valera has, in the end, done a great deal of harm to the Church in Ireland. McQuaid was, like you, far too uncritical of de Valera and his murderous terrorist methods.<br /><br />As a matter of fact, the Church certainly did NOT support republicanism. As is pre-eminently clear from the many times the Church praised and supported monarchy, that monarchy is the Church's preferred form of government.<br /><br />Pope Pius VI described monarchy, in <i>Pourquoi Notre Foix</i>, as "the best of all governments".<br /><br />Faced with only 2 options, the Church naturally preferred the lesser of two evils i.e. the Free State to the crazy republican revolution of de Valera and his murderous Fenian terrorists and fanatics.<br /><br />The Church did not praise the Fascism of O'Duffy and his Blueshirts but only their willingness to fight Communism in Spain which was destroying the Church in the country. <br /><br />Indeed, Pope Pius XI expressly condemned Fascism in <i>Non Abbiamo Bisogno</i>.<br /><br />Your references to the Dean of Cashel and Cardinal Macrory are characteristically incomplete and thus far from honest.<br /><br />They praised the decision to go to Spain to fight Communism (as do I). But that does not mean that these prelates were praising the Fenian roots of O'Duffy's Blueshirts.<br /><br />On the contrary, they hoped that the struggle against Communism would turn them away from their revolutionary roots.<br /><br />But you mischievously leave that out.<br /><br />Shame on you.<br /><br />It is an undeniable truth that the Pope, Holy Office and Bishops of Ireland condemned the Fenians roundly and thoroughly.<br /><br />There is no getting round it. Fenianism is, and always was, an appallingly black, ugly evil and an insult to all that is truly Irish and Catholic.<br /><br />Fact. Get used to it.<br /><br />Its adherents cannot escape Hellfire unless they repent of their attachment to this appalling evil.<br /><br />God grant that they shall all do so.Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-47101687954378424772014-12-12T00:21:28.295+00:002014-12-12T00:21:28.295+00:00Pope Pius XII blessed and approved of the first I...Pope Pius XII blessed and approved of the first Irish Constitution http://lxoa.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/pope-pius-xii-on-the-irish-constitution/<br /><br />The Church strongly supported Free State republicanism. The Church was never hostile to republicanism just the methods of the early Fenian movement. In reality the Church praised the Irish republican Blueshirt movement which was an anti-Communist. Indeed, the great republican Eoin O'Duffy (who was a comrade of Michael Collins) led a seven hundred strong Irish Brigade to fight for Franco in Spain's Civil War, this effort was vigorously supported by the Catholic Church. The Dean of Cashel endorsed it stating that:<br /><br /><br />"The Irish Brigade have gone to fight the battle of Christianity against Communism. There are tremendous difficulties facing the men under O'Duffy and only heroes can fight such a battle" <br />Cardinal Macrory Archbishop of Armagh and primate of all-Ireland, while addressing seven thousand pilgrims in Drogheda at the shrine of blessed Oliver Plunket expressed his support too...<br /><br />"There is no room any longer for any doubt as to the issues at stake in the Spanish conflict. It is not a question of the Army against the people, nor the Army plus the aristocracy and the Church against Labour. Not at all. It is a question of whether Spain will remain as she has been for so long, a Christian and Catholic land or a Bolshevist and anti-God one"Eammon Krugernoreply@blogger.com