tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post4676517515470284439..comments2024-03-20T10:42:44.550+00:00Comments on ROMAN CHRISTENDOM: Roy Schoeman: Salvation is from the JewsTribunushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-54108688597143371172008-08-21T20:27:00.000+01:002008-08-21T20:27:00.000+01:00Tribunus: This is the first time I contact you alt...Tribunus: This is the first time I contact you although I read you a long time ago.<BR/>This particular subject of Judaism is really a very interesting one to me. That is why I would like to ask you whether there is any way to maintain a personal discussion with you about it. Thank youCafé Literariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07096205119661243596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-66510232132943475142008-08-18T19:02:00.000+01:002008-08-18T19:02:00.000+01:00Dear Stephen,Yes, that's all possible.The only way...Dear Stephen,<BR/><BR/>Yes, that's all possible.<BR/><BR/>The only way to look at political and ethical issues is to to apply the principles of natural law and justice as endorsed and taught by the Church.<BR/><BR/>One does not acquire special rights by virtue of being a particular race.<BR/><BR/>The ordinary rules of natural justice would, in my view, disallow the destruction of the State of Israel (or any state) after 60 years of existence since that would be clearly disproportionate to any other just cause, apparent or real, including that of the Palestinians.<BR/><BR/>However, that does not in the least absolve the State of Israel from treating its minorities, and the Palestinians in particular, fairly and justly.<BR/><BR/>The Palestinians have an on-going cause of grievance which must be fully and justly addressed.<BR/><BR/>But the extremist cry of eliminating Israel or "driving it into the sea" etc cannot now be a just one.<BR/><BR/>The best solution for the present would be to use UN troops to maintain peace on the borders of Israel and the Arab states but - alas - the USA repeatedly uses its Security Council veto against such an obvious solution.<BR/><BR/>Hope that is of interest.<BR/><BR/>Tribunus.Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-50016945392471693312008-08-18T17:30:00.000+01:002008-08-18T17:30:00.000+01:00Thank you for the information about this book. Be...Thank you for the information about this book. <BR/><BR/>Before my conversion to Catholicism, I was in the evangelical wing of Protestantism in America, so I'm familiar with evangelicals who believe that the existence of the modern state of Israel represents the fulfillment of God's promises to the Jews, and as such, believe that God would never allow it to be destroyed. They also therefore seem to believe that the USA has a special calling by God to prevent Israel's destruction. Obviously, this can lead to their turning a blind eye to injustices committed by Israel or else trying to misguidedly justify them. I think it safe to say that most of these people also fall within the group known as "dispensationalists" who believe in the Rapture as a distinct event preceding the Second Coming of Christ. <BR/><BR/>I too believe in the right of the state of Israel to exist, and it obviously has its role to play in God's plan. But my sense now as a Catholic is that God could even allow its destruction if it leads to the "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Church mentioned in section 674 of the Catechism. Would this not be a perspective consonant with the Catholic Church's view of itself in relation the the Jews? I suppose Schoemann must expound upon these matters in his book. <BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/>StephenStephen D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12407954950629078326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-23589851451267659532008-08-16T11:52:00.000+01:002008-08-16T11:52:00.000+01:00Jeff,Take care not to lump all traditionalists int...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Take care not to lump all traditionalists into one. They are as various as any other religious group - some are good, some are nutters.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't necessarily agree with everthing Roy writes but I think it churlish in the extreme to attack him and cannot understand why TLM would want to do that.<BR/><BR/>I am not a Zionist but I recognise that the State of Israel has a right to exist, particularly after so many years (60 years now!).<BR/><BR/>I abhor the the Israeli treatment of Palestinians (and eequally of anti-Zionist Hasidic Jews in Israel who are regularly beaten up by Israeli police).<BR/><BR/>I abhor the Israeli treatment of Arab Christians.<BR/><BR/>But much of this is done by secular Jews who are nationalists and not really religious people.<BR/><BR/>Keep attending the traditional rites and try to go to sung Mass as often as you can. The Low Mass does not give you the real flavour of teh traditional rites. Once you have experienced a full year of the sung Roman rite, you will never be able to go back. It is so vastly superior.<BR/><BR/>God bless you.<BR/><BR/>Tribunus.Tribunushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17330137792269530812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062692702190792942.post-10066922884415811862008-08-16T00:41:00.000+01:002008-08-16T00:41:00.000+01:00I loved this book and gave it to a Jewish convert ...I loved this book and gave it to a Jewish convert to Catholicism and her husband for Christmas once. I've also enjoyed Schoemann's various tellings of the story of his conversion on various sites online. <BR/><BR/>I was saddened to see Schoemann attacked in the pages of Latin Mass magazine a couple of years ago for a "Judaizer". Traditionlists are a wonderful bunch, but if they have a flaw, it's their tendency to become unhinged.<BR/><BR/>(By the way, my family has attended the Tridentine Mass at Old St. Mary's Church in Washington DC every Sunday for a decade or so. I don't call myself a Traditionalist, but I do prefer the old Mass and find it in general more adequate than the new.)Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362705229107017257noreply@blogger.com